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Old 04-12-2011, 04:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I own two iphone applications; Fake Call and Fake Text Lite. They have had 40k downloads in under two months and receive around 6k downloads a week at the moment.

I am Selling cheap, bulk ad space for either:

1 Month - Offers
3 Months - Offers
6 Months - Offers
1 Year - Offers

I am currently open to offers, I will be happy to do very good deals, as it is long term, a lot better than $100 for 2 weeks, offered on the thread below (I'm not saying it's a bad deal, its just I want to get to do long term partnerships).
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a lot better than $100 for 2 weeks, offered on the thread below
So then your price will be proportional?
(with respect to price verses number of downloads)

You have 1/6 th as many downloads as those guys,
so then will your price be 1/6 th of $100 ?
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1/6? I've had 40k+ in under 2 months, they've had 70k+.. I fail to see how that is 1/6

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So then your price will be proportional?
(with respect to price verses number of downloads)

You have 1/6 th as many downloads as those guys,
so then will your price be 1/6 th of $100 ?
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The figures I got from Cameron, the dev, is about a quarter million worldwide for both apps combined. That is 6x more than your 40k.

Hmmm, not sure why you're seeing a different dld figure; perhaps you're not looking back far enough for the date, or, not looking worldwide.
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worth mentioning, this forum probably isn't the best place to look for advertising moolah. I highly doubt anyone here can afford $100. They'd have to get like a 10-yr advance on their allowance just to pay you.

But kudos to you for trying the advertising gig. Good entrepreneurial spirit--you're right in there, always trying something.

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Hey, thanks for the reply! I just say his thread saying he had 70k+... that must have been just from one country or something. Yeah, worth a try haha, adverts on free apps brings slow revenue.. just wanted to try something instant/different..

Im just looking for a big idea/concept now to get developed.. the developments probably the easy part of that haha.
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Hey, thanks for the reply! I just say his thread saying he had 70k+... that must have been just from one country or something. Yeah, worth a try haha, adverts on free apps brings slow revenue.. just wanted to try something instant/different..

Im just looking for a big idea/concept now to get developed.. the developments probably the easy part of that haha.
The issue i see is your retention of those 40k user base is not going to be very large.
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Actually, TanningBooth said he got 40K downloads.

#downloads != #of users.
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Actually, TanningBooth said he got 40K downloads.

#downloads != #of users.
My point exactly. haha
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Im just looking for a big idea/concept now to get developed..
Just curious, what are you doing about finding that big idea?

(hint: in the world of business, there are methods for that)
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Just curious, what are you doing about finding that big idea?

(hint: in the world of business, there are methods for that)
I'm not really sure what you mean.. I guess I'm just trying to think up one..

Why, do you have one you would like to share?
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Why, do you have one you would like to share?
Critical Care Kitten

The app starts off with an adorable little kitten, all fuzzy, friendly, and playful. You can play with cyber-kitty for approx 1 week (randomize at first app start), and then it's hit by a car. At that point you must buy in-app critical life support for the kitten or it will die. Ventilator = $0.99, X-ray = $1.99, etc. The app "phones home" to a wall of kitten-haters who refuse to pay.

Rinse, wash, repeat.

Let's get real here, people - if you can't come up with an app idea off the top of your head (even if it's a terrible idea), you need to be placed in a cube. Your good/bad idea ratio can be like 5% - 'cause you still won't have the time to get all of the good ideas coded!

When you die, they will place you in a box. Don't spend your life in one.
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Critical Care Kitten

The app starts off with an adorable little kitten, all fuzzy, friendly, and playful. You can play with cyber-kitty for approx 1 week (randomize at first app start), and then it's hit by a car. At that point you must buy in-app critical life support for the kitten or it will die. Ventilator = $0.99, X-ray = $1.99, etc. The app "phones home" to a wall of kitten-haters who refuse to pay.
Ahahahahaahahaahh!!

Best pitch ever! :O :O
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entrepreneurs and businesses regularly use
group brainstorming sessions to come up with
uber awesome ideas.

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Let's get real here, people - if you can't come up with an app idea off the top of your head (even if it's a terrible idea), you need to be placed in a cube.
@lgehrig1, your statement is
categorically and grossly incorrect.
(per my sentence above)

now look who needs to be placed into the cube
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Im just looking for a big idea/concept now to get developed..
Just curious, what are you doing about finding that big idea?

(hint: in the world of business, there are methods for that)
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I'm not really sure what you mean.. I guess I'm just trying to think up one..
Think about, at the very least, asking
some of your friends and family for some ideas;
....or preferred, do a mini brainstorming session.
You'll want to brainstorm with friends who are
balls-to-the-walls creative. (if you have any friends
with an awesome sense of humor, who are funny
levels beyond most others, well those are the
creative types who you might want to brainstorm with)
If you're interested in knowing how to do a
brainstorming session,and how to incentivize
your friends to be part of it, just ask. I can explain
via pm or via post if others are interested.

I'm putting the effort into sharing this with you
because, for some reason which I can't pin down,
I have a gut feeling that you have what it takes
and will one day be very successful.

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entrepreneurs and businesses regularly use
group brainstorming sessions to come up with
uber awesome ideas.



@lgehrig1, your statement is
categorically and grossly incorrect.
(per my sentence above)

now look who needs to be placed into the cube
People generally don't get very far ahead in the real world with arrogance like this...

And anyways, group brainstorming sessions are great for refining ideas, but they are crap for creating new ideas... true inspiration strikes when it wants to, not on a meetings schedule.
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Think about, at the very least, asking
some of your friends and family for some ideas;
....or preferred, do a mini brainstorming session.
You'll want to brainstorm with friends who are
balls-to-the-walls creative. (if you have any friends
with an awesome sense of humor, who are funny
levels beyond most others, well those are the
creative types who you might want to brainstorm with)
If you're interested in knowing how to do a
brainstorming session,and how to incentivize
your friends to be part of it, just ask. I can explain
via pm or via post if others are interested.

I'm putting the effort into sharing this with you
because, for some reason which I can't pin down,
I have a gut feeling that you have what it takes
and will one day be very successful.
Hey,

Thanks so much for your reply! I have been brainstorming like you said and have come up with an idea which I think could do quite well!
I will let you know how it goes!

Thanks again!
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group brainstorming sessions are great for refining ideas, but they are crap for creating new ideas...
You are obviously speaking from inexperience.

I'm close buds with an upper manager at Qualcomm (Fortune 500 company with 30+ buildings on their campus, who does $11 billion/year) and I know firsthand that QC regularly uses brainstorming to create new ideas. Btw QC is currently at the table with Apple, another company who is right on top of brainstorming, and who makes full use of mind mapping and other tools to enhance, maximize and organize creativity.

I spent a hunk of my life at AT&T Bell Labs (now Lucent), who holds the patent for invention of the transistor plus other significant inventions, plus who invented/developed the original C language..... and I have personally been involved with formal brainstorming sessions. The idea for "cellular" came from a group brainstorm session. (organizing a city using six-sided shapes, aka cells, that fit together like a honeycomb, each one with it's own antenna repeater, for mobile phone communication)

[EDIT: CharlieEvans, you can skip over this next paragraph--let's just go on the above mentioned facts, plus the Wiki excerpt down below, all which clearly prove you are grossly incorrect in saying that brainstorming doesn't work for coming up with new ideas]Brainstorming with my uber creative buddies is how I came up with a several successful ideas.... from one brainstormed idea I bootstrapped a business that grew to 11 employees and I eventually sold for significant amount; another idea was for a domain name, which I registered and was able to sell for $83k, and finally thru brainstorming I came up with the idea for my current business which has been a cash cow for 12+ yrs.[/EDIT]

@CharlieEvans with all due respect, it's best for everyone here if you don't post your guesstimates about business issues. (myself I confident enough with myself and if necessary will man up and admit when I'm wrong--curious whether you are too)

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The idea for an invention may be developed on paper or on a computer, by writing or drawing, by trial and error, by making models, by experimenting, by testing and/or by making the invention in its whole form. As the dialogue between Picasso and Braque brought about Cubism, collaboration has spawned many inventions. Brainstorming can spark new ideas. Collaborative creative processes are frequently used by designers, architects and scientists. Co-inventors are frequently named on patents. Now it is easier than ever for people in different locations to collaborate. Many inventors keep records of their working process - notebooks, photos, etc., including Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Jefferson and Albert Einstein.[7] In the process of developing an invention, the initial idea may change. The invention may become simpler, more practical, it may expand, or it may even morph into something totally different. Working on one invention can lead to others too. There is only one country in the world that will grant patent rights for an invention that continues part of an invention in a previously filed patent—the United States.[8]
ps.... there are endless articles on authority websites that show how brainstorming is instrumental in coming up with fresh new ideas.

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You are obviously speaking from inexperience.

I'm close buds with an upper manager at Qualcomm (Fortune 500 company with 30+ buildings on their campus, who does $11 billion/year) and I know firsthand that QC regularly uses brainstorming to create new ideas. Btw QC is currently at the table with Apple, another company who is right on top of brainstorming, and who makes full use of mind mapping and other tools to enhance, maximize and organize creativity.

I spent a hunk of my life at AT&T Bell Labs (now Lucent), who holds the patent for invention of the transistor plus other significant inventions, plus who invented/developed the original C language..... and I have personally been involved with formal brainstorming sessions.

Brainstorming with my uber creative buddies is how I came up with a few awesome ideas.... from one idea I bootstrapped a business that grew to 11 employees and I eventually sold for significant amount; another idea was for a domain name, which I registered and was able to sell for $83k, and finally thru brainstorming I came up with the idea for my current business which has been a cash cow for 12+ yrs.

@CharlieEvans with all due respect, it's best for everyone here if you don't post your guesstimates about business issues.
LoL! What's the name of that cash cow buddy? I'll file this away with your other self aggrandizing statements as products of a vivid imagination..
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Wait, that's all you got to say in rebuttal? (I thought you were a little more intelligent than that) Okay, while I don't need to prove anything to you, you can just disregard anything I said about my own experience with brainstorming.

Let's just go with the handful of corporate examples I gave you, plus the Wiki article plus the fact anyone here can Google and find endless articles on authority websites that prove you are an idiot. (i.e. that prove that brainstorming does indeed work for creation of new ideas)

Kinda sad that you're holding on to your original statement that brainstorming is not good for coming up with new ideas.
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@CharlieEvans with all due respect, it's best for everyone here if you don't post your guesstimates about business issues.
LOL he's done it again
At this rate there will be no-one talking anymore on this forums, what a lonely life you have ahead of you
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@ziocleto don't start trouble moron .... @charlieEvans has incorrectly stated something and I have replied by citing proof that he's wrong.
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@ziocleto don't start trouble moron .... @charlieEvans has incorrectly stated something and I have replied by citing proof that he's wrong.
Opinions != math.

While I do agree brainstorming are good idea propellers, I also agree that sparks of genius are uncontrollable hence rarely forced to come out of a schedule meeting, and if that happens everyone is happy!

There are a lot of shades of grey in that sentence, and just saying : " It's better if you dont talk anymore cos you are an idiot" it's: arrogant and wrong.

Ironically that could have been a brainstorm debating... brainstorming
But if you kill any other opinions apart from yours, well, that's another thread gone when you are left alone with your absolute truth.

I'll give you my experience, out of all the brainstorming meetings at EA (I'd say about 500), none of them came out with a product on the shelves.
And look, I'm still thinking they are a good thing How silly must I be
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I'll give you my experience, out of all the brainstorming meetings at EA (I'd say about 500), none of them came out with a product on the shelves.
And look, I'm still thinking they are a good thing How silly must I be
but surely a lot of good came out of EA brainstorm
sessions, for example product names (software titles)
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but surely a lot of good came out of EA brainstorm
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Those were the minority of brainstormings.
Most of them were about either tech or creative.

Tech wise they were mainly unsuccessful.
Creative-ness wise they were more successful, but, and it's a huge but, the powers to be pretty much always discarded them if they weren't in-line with their vision. So the big problem in those type of brainstorming is when bureaucracy gets in the way. (A problem especially in big corporations)
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