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Old 12-13-2011, 02:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Does OSX Lion slow down XCode & Mac in general

I need to decide whether to update both my main Macs to Lion or just one. They are both a few years old & run Snow Leopard & XCode 4.2 really well.

Any observations welcome. I obviously need to update to Lion for future proofing but don't need 2 Mac to build for the app store on.
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Old 12-13-2011, 05:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I have only really noticed an improvement in performance since moving to Lion. Apart from on my Air, that seems to have its the ability to have its "instant on" feature working. but that could just be full disk or something else - it will be something that i look into.

Other than that its all very sweet, Xcode 4.2 seems to run faster than 4.1 for me. And then there are all the features that just make the process of using the computer easier - mission control etc.
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I need to decide whether to update both my main Macs to Lion or just one. They are both a few years old & run Snow Leopard & XCode 4.2 really well.

Any observations welcome. I obviously need to update to Lion for future proofing but don't need 2 Mac to build for the app store on.

with Xcode, safari, Skype, mail, terminal, postgress DB, iCal, iTunes and some other random small apps like preview I was constantly out of 4 GB RAM, and it was swapping to disk all the time. It was not the case before with Snow Leopard on late 2009 mb pro 15’. I had to upgrade to 8GB and now i don’t see any speed difference compared to SL except for boot time (more than 2 minutes for me instead of 30 sec, but i usually just put it to sleep so thats not a big issue )

Install it on 1 pc and see how it runs for you. If the second one is also yours, you don’t need to buy another Lion copy, you can install Lion into unto 5 PC you own.
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Lion is noticeably more ram hungry for me too, but once I upgraded from 4gb the performance was good. I'm usually running other high ram programs like Photoshop simultaneously with Xcode though.
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you can install Lion into unto 5 PC you own.
I don't believe you are correct with that - the ability to install on 5 computers is known as the Family Pack, not the single user pack. They are different products from Apple with different prices.

That is if they havnt changed it for Lion of course, now that its through the App Store, and of course as we all know using the App storee one can install an App on up to 5 devices.
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I need to decide whether to update both my main Macs to Lion or just one. They are both a few years old & run Snow Leopard & XCode 4.2 really well.

Any observations welcome. I obviously need to update to Lion for future proofing but don't need 2 Mac to build for the app store on.
Thanks Guys, I will upgrade my Macbook which is the newer of the 2 Macs I own & take it from there. It's a shame Apple force these updates on us but I guess it's easier for them just to have one release of Xcode.

Looks like you can install on all Macs you own. The app store says you can.

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I don't believe you are correct with that - the ability to install on 5 computers is known as the Family Pack, not the single user pack. They are different products from Apple with different prices.

That is if they havnt changed it for Lion of course, now that its through the App Store, and of course as we all know using the App storee one can install an App on up to 5 devices.

Well, actually there is no 5 computer limit, you can install on ALL computers you own.

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B. License from Mac App Store or on Physical Media. If you obtained a license for the Apple Software from the Mac App Store or on Apple-branded physical media, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License and as permitted by the Mac App Store Usage Rules set forth in the App Store Terms and Conditions (http:// Apple - Legal - iTunes) (“Usage Rules”), you are granted a limited, non-transferable, non-exclusive license:
(i) to download, install, use and run for personal, non-commercial use, one (1) copy of the Apple Software directly on each Apple-branded computer running Mac OS X Snow Leopard or Mac OS X Snow Leopard Server (“Mac Computer”) that you own or control;
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hmm thats a very very interesting point, i just went away and found it myself. I do like how the licence is different if you go and buy it in store rather than on the Mac App store!!

But read it carefully:

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(i) to download, install, use and run for personal, non-commercial use, one (1) copy of the Apple Software directly on each Apple-branded computer running Mac OS X Snow Leopard or Mac OS X Snow Leopard Server (“Mac Computer”) that you own or control;
The bold section is what is tricky. If you only had Leopard on before - or even if you are running Lion then you would get in trouble and need a volume licence as you aren't running the Apple Software on a SL mac, but a different OS Mac.

But it does seem as though they have changed the rules a bit.
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I think it boils down in how is your hardware spec.

Mine is running Lion and XCode 4.2.1 with good performance.

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I need to decide whether to update both my main Macs to Lion or just one. They are both a few years old & run Snow Leopard & XCode 4.2 really well.

Any observations welcome. I obviously need to update to Lion for future proofing but don't need 2 Mac to build for the app store on.
Unexpectedly I quite like Lion. It's not killing my Macbook and it has some nice features & itunes sync works much better.
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It depends. I have a latest Mac book pro and after upgrade to Lion I noticed a slow startup time and overall slowness. Even maxing out RAM to 8 GB not compares to SL on 4 GB. Then I google around and realized problem is all of that apps inherited from old system.
Upgrade always a bad choose vs. clean install.
But I love all of the new features and I am a latest version of everything junkie.
I killed and recreated my profile and it's noticeable faster now.
Don't know about your hardware do. New OS always demand more power and tuned for the newer components.
Do clean install if you can or Time Machine first and revert back if you don't like it.
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I need to decide whether to update both my main Macs to Lion or just one. They are both a few years old & run Snow Leopard & XCode 4.2 really well.

Any observations welcome. I obviously need to update to Lion for future proofing but don't need 2 Mac to build for the app store on.
One sad tale about by Lion upgrade: My WD 2Tb network attached backup system did not work with Lion's TimeMachine so I updated the firmware and then it did not work with anything so I was forced eventually after trying many things to rip out the 2Tb disk & use it as a USB attached TimeMachine

So the Lion upgrade cost me my nice automated backup solution, thanks a bunch Apple.
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It depends. I have a latest Mac book pro and after upgrade to Lion I noticed a slow startup time and overall slowness. Even maxing out RAM to 8 GB not compares to SL on 4 GB. Then I google around and realized problem is all of that apps inherited from old system.
Upgrade always a bad choose vs. clean install.
But I love all of the new features and I am a latest version of everything junkie.
I killed and recreated my profile and it's noticeable faster now.
Don't know about your hardware do. New OS always demand more power and tuned for the newer components.
Do clean install if you can or Time Machine first and revert back if you don't like it.
I've had similar trouble using the migration assistant - doing a full install from scratch sped things up noticeably.
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My booting time tripled and I have the latest Macbook Pro. A quad-core i7 + 8 GB of RAM + 7200 RPM HDD. Unbelievebale. Other than that, great performance.
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I've only noticed an increase in performance on both my macbook and my iMac. Everything seems to load quicker and run smoother.

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