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Old 02-12-2011, 10:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Angry Anyone else disappointed in Apple's dev documentation?

I'm a pretty seasoned game programmer; have made games in Flash, Java, and dabbled in Z80 assembly programming on the TI series calculators.

And I have to say I have been extremely underwhelmed by how accessible Cocoa and Xcode have been. Just to do simple things that would take me mere seconds in flash takes me hours sometimes just to find an equivalent in xcode/cocoa, and there are numerous ways to accomplish a simple task. This only adds to the ambiguity when trying to do something as simple as changing an images orientation (took me 1 hour to find a solution that was not in the documentation but on someone's blog). In flash or Java I would type it in and BOOM the reference would tell me how to use it and give me an example in context. C'mon Apple xcode is simple but stop being so damn cryptic with your documentation!!!!

Heck even the TI calcs had more straight-ford documentation available AND THOSE WERE STRICTLY CALCULATORS WTHHHH!!
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LOL...I feel exactly the same way about Flash/Flex these days (my new day job)....things that would take me minutes in objective-C...

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I'm a pretty seasoned game programmer; have made games in Flash, Java, and dabbled in Z80 assembly programming on the TI series calculators.

And I have to say I have been extremely underwhelmed by how accessible Cocoa and Xcode have been. Just to do simple things that would take me mere seconds in flash takes me hours sometimes just to find an equivalent in xcode/cocoa, and there are numerous ways to accomplish a simple task. This only adds to the ambiguity when trying to do something as simple as changing an images orientation (took me 1 hour to find a solution that was not in the documentation but on someone's blog). In flash or Java I would type it in and BOOM the reference would tell me how to use it and give me an example in context. C'mon Apple xcode is simple but stop being so damn cryptic with your documentation!!!!

Heck even the TI calcs had more straight-ford documentation available AND THOSE WERE STRICTLY CALCULATORS WTHHHH!!
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maybe because "flash" is not a language programming.
I think is not something related to Apple's documentation, but just to your programming skills.
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I agree with missing_no, xcode has lots of room for improvement. It can't hold a candle to visual studio or delphi or any other dev tools I've worked with. To name another example, in visual studio you can largely rely on the autocomplete function to find what you are looking for. Not so in xcode.

@dany88: that's just a lazy "ad hominem" argument..
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maybe because "flash" is not a language programming.
I think is not something related to Apple's documentation, but just to your programming skills.
I'm hoping you are joking or have never programmed in Actionscript...If not I feel bad for trolls like you

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LOL...I feel exactly the same way about Flash/Flex these days (my new day job)....things that would take me minutes in objective-C...

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That's CRAZY TALK!! really? haha

Is it for higher level stuff or just the fundamentals that ActionScript is frustrating you? And what version of Flash; cause I only have Flash 8 which might have been easier (though I don't know why they would make them more inaccessible)
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Xcode is the worst IDE experience I've ever had in my entire programming life.
Xcode can't event do one simple thing: browsing through opened source code files.
How can one not even implement the tab browsing. [Ctrl] + [Tab] is all we need...
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Xcode is the worst IDE experience I've ever had in my entire programming life.
Xcode can't event do one simple thing: browsing through opened source code files.
How can one not even implement the tab browsing. [Ctrl] + [Tab] is all we need...
Agreed. Xcode is the worst IDE
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