I work on an hourly rate.
My rates are high due to 15 years experience in the industry in product development. I have worked for AOL, Sony Music, Marriott, Discovery, Pfizer, MTV... The list goes on and name dropping isn't my favorite thing.
My hourly rate may be high but I will get it done right the first time and usually the time is less then the total you would pay for a developer asking half my rate.
You can email me with questions about development - developers also looking for an experienced developer for assistance can contract me for their own projects.
I can write both native and hybrid applications.
I expect a contract - will sign an NDA and non compete:
50% estimated total time*hourly rate up front.
The rest due on completion.
If you are not a developer then you will need to join and become a developer. After being paid for the remainder and difference of the project - I will release the code and you can submit it to apple under your own ID.
I am not interested in releasing any other person application under myself when working as a contractor.
I will not accept paid upon approval as we all know Apple can reject anything they want without any real reason. I also do not want any tax problems. Pretty straight forward.
Please email me if you need help - if I can't help you I will try to point you in the right direction.
I notice you mention a lot of the weird things I've run into. I've also noticed a couple different levels in the app development market. You've got your simple stuff ("make me an app that looks like this web page") and you've got your more complex stuff (e.g. "I have a vague description, several systems to interface to, and we have no design").
I look for the latter stuff, myself, with a little bit of iPhone computation thrown in. But it's a chore to sift through for it. I'm curious if you or anyone who might read this thread has an opinion on the state of the development market.
Put another way, if you're a software engineer do you feel like you're sifting through a vast pile of jobs meant for programmers? Do you get the sense that clients are confused by the two a lot of the time?
Or do you think anyone who refers to himself as a "software engineer" is just an arrogant bastard. :-)
My rates are $150/hour.
I follow flurry - admob - and a ton of other industry specific sites.
The going rate for a true objectve c programmer is 130 and up.
Salaries are well above 120K for iphone dev.
Of course there are web developers out there that want in the game to make a quick buck and it hurts all of us except that in the end they can only make a few things like more twitter apps and nothing that a large client or someone serious about long term business is interested in.
Feel free to email directly maybe we can create a private iPhone developer marketing wiki and help site for those of us who are serious and mac a living developing cocoa apps - I am all for it.
I have not found it hard to find this work in fact I a swamped already at this rate. I just know how to say NO.
iPhone developers have enough good ideas themselves to waste on people wanting to pay nothing to get in the game. Ideas are worth 0
Look into moores law on wikipedia and then read free by chris anderson
this should help you better understand
hit me back
rates 150/hour no project pricing not when you can bill for coffee and phone calls too -
Matthew
Last edited by kleinrock; 10-04-2009 at 11:35 AM.
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My rates are $150/hour.
I follow flurry - admob - and a ton of other industry specific sites.
The going rate for a true objectve c programmer is 130 and up.
Salaries are well above 120K for iphone dev.
$150 sounds quite a lot,
Right now I am doing computational biology being a scientist, and I tell you I am seriously good at code development (C++, obj C, Cuda, ..), and make $60K/Y .And if I become Prof, I get $100K/Y and more.
Which boils down to the problem that I guess I code as much/good as you and get 1/3 of the money. So if you say no to people all the time, how do you find them?
Right now I am doing computational biology being a scientist, and I tell you I am seriously good at code development (C++, obj C, Cuda, ..), and make $60K/Y .And if I become Prof, I get $100K/Y and more.
Which boils down to the problem that I guess I code as much/good as you and get 1/3 of the money. So if you say no to people all the time, how do you find them?
Cheers Arend
I charge a bit less myself, but still nominally "more" than that. It's not what it looks like from the outside, though.
The reality is that consulting (or contracting, depending) is an odd business. There's more to it than just the programming. Just a few of those things are:
- Sales. You have to find new clients and keep up with old ones.
- Business. You've got to get paid. It can be harder than you think.
- Management. Leading a client to a satisfying conclusion is a bit of an art.
- Software engineering. More than just coding you need to have a feel for the overall arc of projects, but without getting all Gantt chart about it (unless they're into that).
Consulting is also very bursty. Sometimes you're stupid busy, sometimes you're not. And projects fall through all the time. That's time wasted interacting with a potential client.
It's common for people outside to take an hourly rate, multiply by 2000 hrs, and then go "wow!". In general consultants aren't actually making that. There's a lot of overhead associated with doing this and sometimes outright failure. If you're making anywhere close to that, odds are you're working more than 2000 hours.
I wouldn't get into it for the money. There has to be something wrong with you to like this. Me? The thought of working within a big organization makes me want to bang my head against the wall while weeping uncontrollably. But I don't want to start another software company either. So I'm a consultant.
Ya know what? Your computational biology job is probably a lot more interesting too. I'd love to do some CUDA work (used to do CM-2 programming, way back), but it's not really practical. This stuff is, so that's what I do.
But hey, it can be good, particularly when there's a bubble on. People get CRAZY. But mostly, not.
In response to your post, you must learn to say no to people who want you to work for less then you feel you deserve. You have to find and see the value in yourself to get paid what you deserve.
If you do that, then pretty soon the only people that contact you are those who see your worth, and are willing to pay the rate you are valued at. Once that happens most work that comes to you is then all referral based. We all know the best kind of advertising, right - Word of mouth (or referral). That is what you want.
Saying "No!" in business is the first thing that any business student needs to learn, and it needs to be reiterated a million times.
Be willing to get up in the middle of a meeting and walk out if you don't like what you hear. I've done it several times - guess what they came back and offered more money. I've still said no to projects because I found the clients rude, and I won't work with people that treat me the way that they did. Neither should you.
Ok, last I have to say about this topic:
As a freelancer you should always do your best and always treat each project as the best project you will ever have - try to meet and exceed your own expectations as they are usually higher than the client's own expectations.
Hope all of this helps!
Cheers-
M
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$150 sounds quite a lot,
Right now I am doing computational biology being a scientist, and I tell you I am seriously good at code development (C++, obj C, Cuda, ..), and make $60K/Y .And if I become Prof, I get $100K/Y and more.
Which boils down to the problem that I guess I code as much/good as you and get 1/3 of the money. So if you say no to people all the time, how do you find them?
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