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Old 02-03-2012, 02:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Want to make a few bucks for a VERY simple app?

I have an app that I want made, I'm an artist under deadline now, so I need someone to crack this one out for me within the next week.

Here is the idea:

App launches > displays picture > single tap > new picture > single tap new picture > repeat 4 more times > then at the end it asks if you want to post the app info to your Facebook/Twitter. I may contract for future changes to the app including in app purchases.

I have ALL the artwork done, (icon, launch screen, all the pictures formatted) I essentially just need the code. I need to to be app store worthy, wether or not it makes it into the app store is another issue.

I am a starving artist, so if you could help me out with it or just do it, I'd be willing to paypal you some money. PM me with how much you think you could do it for. I cant imagine it taking over 30 mins for an experienced coder. I'm not looking to pay for you to learn as you go.
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You lack the qualifications necessary to make an assumption regarding how long it will take. I tend to tell people to assume 1-2 hours per view for basic setup, and it could be longer depending on the underlying logic. FB/Twitter will add even more time time.

So, if you assume 30 minutes, you're likely to be disappointed. If you assume more like 5 hours, you're likely to be pleasantly surprised. Experienced coders also have higher rates. Adjust your expectations accordingly.

How much money are you willing to part with for this?
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You lack the qualifications necessary to make an assumption regarding how long it will take. I tend to tell people to assume 1-2 hours per view for basic setup, and it could be longer depending on the underlying logic. FB/Twitter will add even more time time.

So, if you assume 30 minutes, you're likely to be disappointed. If you assume more like 5 hours, you're likely to be pleasantly surprised. Experienced coders also have higher rates. Adjust your expectations accordingly.

How much money are you willing to part with for this?
lol, I have made a very good living selling various things and I'm glad to see you taking the necessary sales steps in breaking down my expectations and then directly asking me how much money I'm willing to part with. The thing is, I AM qualified as far as understanding this thing, and I have done most of the busy work with the artwork and whatnot. I'm really just looking for someone to either hold my hand, or just to crack it out quickly.

I also had someone tell me how to do it in another thread and it seemed very simple (look in my previous post), I just don't know the terminology of objective C, nor do I have the time over the next couple weeks to learn it. So if you can apply exactly what he said, you probably could have it done in less than 30 mins if you were actually working. The FB/Twitter thing isn't THAT important to me, and I could implement it myself later. 1-2 hours for a basic view setup is hilarious to me considering I was able to get my simulator to display the photo I had in under 10 mins knowing absolutely ZERO about any C coding. I can't imagine it taking that long to attach a tap gesture to changing to a different photo taking an hour. Its all copy and pasting.

So I don't know. For graphics work I used to charge somewhere ~$80 an hour to my clients, in house it'd be billed at ~$35 an hour. So I guess the most for a completely done version of what I want, maybe like $20-30.
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The thing is, I AM qualified as far as understanding this thing, and I have done most of the busy work with the artwork and whatnot.
No you really are not.

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1-2 hours for a basic view setup is hilarious to me considering I was able to get my simulator to display the photo I had in under 10 mins knowing absolutely ZERO about any C coding.
Professional development is far more than dragging an UIImageView onto a generated single view app and then assigning the image file.

First you have to figure how you are going to publish this thing in the first place? Do you have a developer account? Do you expect the developer to publish under his name and keep it published ($99/year for a dev account)? How do you expect to test it? Do you want to use Test Flight App or do you know how to install an ad hoc distribution application?

Then we need to setup iTunes connect with the application information.

How do you want the source code delivered?

Do you have an application icon of all the correct sizes?

How about a launch image (default.png)

Do you have regular and retina versions of your images?

What versions of iOS do you want to support? Twitter is built into iOS 5 and up so that makes life easier. FB integration isn't built into any version - so we must grab it and decide how that integration should work - oh we have to register the app with Facebook too.

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I can't imagine it taking that long to attach a tap gesture to changing to a different photo taking an hour.
It doesn't you just don't know all the other work that needs to take place. This if just off the top of my head.
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No you really are not.



Professional development is far more than dragging an UIImageView onto a generated single view app and then assigning the image file.

First you have to figure how you are going to publish this thing in the first place? Do you have a developer account? Do you expect the developer to publish under his name and keep it published ($99/year for a dev account)? How do you expect to test it? Do you want to use Test Flight App or do you know how to install an ad hoc distribution application?

Then we need to setup iTunes connect with the application information.

How do you want the source code delivered?

Do you have an application icon of all the correct sizes?

How about a launch image (default.png)

Do you have regular and retina versions of your images?

What versions of iOS do you want to support? Twitter is built into iOS 5 and up so that makes life easier. FB integration isn't built into any version - so we must grab it and decide how that integration should work - oh we have to register the app with Facebook too.



It doesn't you just don't know all the other work that needs to take place. This if just off the top of my head.
YES, I do have ALL of those things, EVERYTHING setup for regular/retina view. Like I said (before you assumed), I understand everything that is going into this, I just need the code, and unlike just posting in the help forums, I'm willing to pay for it.

I do have a developer account, I will do all the publishing myself. I'm not really worried about it making it into the app store, as this is an art piece that I'm showing in a gallery. I could use the code delivered via email, or maybe a skype session telling me what to plug in where. I really could just use someone holding my hand on what to do.

Sorry this isn't the WHALE of a job that you guys are looking for (most graphic designers try to turn jobs like this into much bigger projects), this isn't breaking new ground, and shouldn't be that hard for an experienced coder. If you have some spare time and feel like getting dinner paid for by me, then contact me, I'm not interested in arguing whether or not I'm qualified to tell you what needs to be done.

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lol, I have made a very good living selling various things and I'm glad to see you taking the necessary sales steps in breaking down my expectations and then directly asking me how much money I'm willing to part with. The thing is, I AM qualified as far as understanding this thing, and I have done most of the busy work with the artwork and whatnot. I'm really just looking for someone to either hold my hand, or just to crack it out quickly.

I also had someone tell me how to do it in another thread and it seemed very simple (look in my previous post), I just don't know the terminology of objective C, nor do I have the time over the next couple weeks to learn it. So if you can apply exactly what he said, you probably could have it done in less than 30 mins if you were actually working. The FB/Twitter thing isn't THAT important to me, and I could implement it myself later. 1-2 hours for a basic view setup is hilarious to me considering I was able to get my simulator to display the photo I had in under 10 mins knowing absolutely ZERO about any C coding. I can't imagine it taking that long to attach a tap gesture to changing to a different photo taking an hour. Its all copy and pasting.

So I don't know. For graphics work I used to charge somewhere ~$80 an hour to my clients, in house it'd be billed at ~$35 an hour. So I guess the most for a completely done version of what I want, maybe like $20-30.
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YES, I do have ALL of those things, EVERYTHING setup for regular/retina view. Like I said (before you assumed), I understand everything that is going into this, I just need the code, and unlike just posting in the help forums, I'm willing to pay for it.

I do have a developer account, I will do all the publishing myself. I'm not really worried about it making it into the app store, as this is an art piece that I'm showing in a gallery. I could use the code delivered via email, or maybe a skype session telling me what to plug in where. I really could just use someone holding my hand on what to do.

Sorry this isn't the WHALE of a job that you guys are looking for (most graphic designers try to turn jobs like this into much bigger projects), this isn't breaking new ground, and shouldn't be that hard for an experienced coder. If you have some spare time and feel like getting dinner paid for by me, then contact me, I'm not interested in arguing whether or not I'm qualified to tell you what needs to be done.
I think you should be more realistic about what you want to pay for this, even if it's relatively simple. 20 or 30 dollars is a slap in the face to offer to "experienced coders", even if it takes a half an hour.
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an experienced coder. I'm not looking to pay for you to learn as you go.
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I think you should be more realistic about what you want to pay for this, even if it's relatively simple. 20 or 30 dollars is a slap in the face to offer to "experienced coders", even if it takes a half an hour.
I disagree, as a professional in the art industry, if someone came to me and said "show me how to use (XYZ) for a half hour and I'll give you $30", I'd find time and do it if I wanted $30 (like I said, dinner for 30 mins of work). All depends on how much you want to hustle.

Like I said, sorry this isn't a whale of a project. Don't be bitter toward me because you are cruising a forum looking for jobs and they aren't stacking up to your expectations. Cause honestly, you look foolish by acting like I'm asking for something I'm not. I'm not looking for an experienced coder to provide the full solution to me with a wrapped up app package. I'm not looking for someone to "consult" me on what I need or do not need. I'm not looking for someone to tell me I don't know what I'm asking, cause I do know all of these things perfectly well. The only thing you ARE making me do is disregard any further contact with you when I do have a bigger project.

Please contact me or post ONLY if you are interested, not if you feel like critiquing my method of finding skilled work and paying for it.
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I let Brian's post slide under the "good faith" portion of the following guideline, but the remaining posts are in danger of crossing the line. So I'll just include it here as a reminder:

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Thanks, is there any way you can clean up this thread?
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Thanks, is there any way you can clean up this thread?
Don't push your luck. I think it is useful for people who might be interested to see exactly who they would be dealing with. If you carefully read that clause, it's not exactly a compliment for you, and I didn't post it to come to your defense.
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Don't push your luck. I think it is useful for people who might be interested to see exactly who they would be dealing with. If you carefully read that clause, it's not exactly a compliment for you, and I didn't post it to come to your defense.
Are you insinuating that I'm being difficult or overly demanding? Haha, thats pretty rich.

In any case, I have been contacted by multiple people and the job is now complete. Every single one of them said that they ran into the same issue with people who knew other scripting languages that they needed simple things done with - I guess people will always be trying to make a quick buck by turning $50 jobs into $500 paychecks, quite the honorable way to do business! Thanks again to those who silently helped!
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I guess people will always be trying to make a quick buck by turning $50 jobs into $500 paychecks, quite the honorable way to do business!
If that was a shot at me:

1. You can go **** yourself.
2. I bill for the actual time required, and am typically quite generous there. I provided you a guideline for making an estimate, nothing more. What I will NOT do is take it on faith that someone who has no idea what is involved and deliberately lowballs the whole thing will actually come through with payment, especially for such a piddly amount.

I have a lengthy track record of satisfied clients, not to mention a mountain of posts here that prove I know what I'm talking about. You... have nothing.
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