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Old 02-08-2012, 12:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am not a developer.
I have never run a business (since the lemonade stand days).

I do have years of expereince in a specific field and I am an avid user of both the iPhone and iPad.

I had one of those "lightbulb idea" moments and now cannot get it out of my head. I have got to make this happen. It requires app development and building a business.

Have any of you been here? What did you do first? I've got ideas drawn and have just about got the whole thing scribbled out. It will make money, I just need to make it first. :/


Oh yeah, and cash is loooowwwww.

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I am not a developer.
I have never run a business (since the lemonade stand days).

I do have years of expereince in a specific field and I am an avid user of both the iPhone and iPad.

I had one of those "lightbulb idea" moments and now cannot get it out of my head. I have got to make this happen. It requires app development and building a business.

Have any of you been here? What did you do first? I've got ideas drawn and have just about got the whole thing scribbled out. It will make money, I just need to make it first. :/
Ideas are not really worth much right now :/ Most developers are swamped with work on their own idea I think
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Ideas are not really worth much right now :/ Most developers are swamped with work on their own idea I think
Well I know freelancers exist. I live in a robust college community and I don't think finding one will be an issue. How often do developers work as partners, though? I'm open to the idea of sharing growth in the company with original partners in exchange for free or cheap work.


There is an application that is only available in Europe that happens to be a bit similar to mine. Do things like that cause issues? Fundamentally they have an identical feature, but the implementation of the whole deal is drastically different. Mine also expands on the idea.

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I am not a developer.
I have never run a business (since the lemonade stand days).

I do have years of expereince in a specific field and I am an avid user of both the iPhone and iPad.

I had one of those "lightbulb idea" moments and now cannot get it out of my head. I have got to make this happen. It requires app development and building a business.

Have any of you been here? What did you do first? I've got ideas drawn and have just about got the whole thing scribbled out. It will make money, I just need to make it first. :/


Oh yeah, and cash is loooowwwww.
Become a coder, that's my advice. There are lots and lots of tutorials online which tell you how to code, it will take a while (some months) but eventually you will have an understanding of how apps are put together, and by coding them yourself you will save yourself a tonne of money. You will still have to probably hire someone for the graphics though.
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Well I know freelancers exist. Also, I live in a robust college community. I don't think finding one will be an issue. How often do developers work as partners, though? I'm open to the idea of sharing growth in the company with original partners in exchange for free or cheap work.
Unless you have money to pay his salary upfront I doubt most programers will be willing to work for a percentage if all you bring to the table is "an idea"
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Gotta learn to code. It isnt too bad I know I am closer to the worst coder ever than the best ever but I make it work.

Start with objective c by Stephen Kochan
then maybe an ios 5 beginner book or tutorials.

file for that llc

download gimp and start making your own apps I think thats the cheapest way to go.
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Gotta learn to code. It isnt too bad I know I am closer to the worst coder ever than the best ever but I make it work.

Start with objective c by Stephen Kochan
then maybe an ios 5 beginner book or tutorials.

file for that llc

download gimp and start making your own apps I think thats the cheapest way to go.
What would you say is the learning curve? I have zero experience with developing but I know my way around Macs and PC's as well as the iOS stuff.
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What would you say is the learning curve? I have zero experience with developing but I know my way around Macs and PC's as well as the iOS stuff.
I started off with zero knowledge in developing and I can only tell you that you obviously get better with experience. You can either develop an app while learning or learn the basics before hand before developing. I probably recommend doing the basics first because i was too naive and **** at the beginning and it did not do too well (however experience has got me here today which isnt much only around $70k a year given at the rate i am going)

before i would of been happy if i made my $99 back from the dev liscence, then i would of been happy if i got my macbook money back.. then i would of been happy with $20ish a day.. now $200-$250 just doesnt seem enough for me. How I lived before (paying rent,food, luxary, etc) when I absolutely scraped by to a somewhat comfortable living standard and yet I still dont feel satisfied.. I WANT MORA MOAR MOAR MOAR MOAR

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Try elance.com or another freelance type site to get your app made. If its worth what you say it is, its worth the risk of spending a few grand to get it done.
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What would you say is the learning curve? I have zero experience with developing but I know my way around Macs and PC's as well as the iOS stuff.
Learning curve isn't bad, if you have the right mind for it. I ended up starting from basically no knowledge after I quit my old job. Like the others said, you'll need to bring something other than the idea in order to get partnership to work like you described. And if you're low on cash, outsourcing all the work to get your app idea to light might be infeasible for you, even on elance.
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Learning curve isn't bad, if you have the right mind for it.
for me that is the key. if you don't have the patience and tenacity to keep at it you won't last long. And to keep the learning curve in reach you need to work at it every day.
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Yea with a little programming exp I was able to pick up that book I recommended and pretty much fly through up until the later chapters (where I skipped around a bit.

Next I found a beginners book that focused on getting some working apps out and working on interface a bit. As I worked through that I started working on my app as I went through the chapters. I think this was important because I was applying what I was learning to an actual app I cared about.

Along side a full time job I was able to go from never having used a mac before to having about 3 soon to be 4 apps out in about 6-8 months. I know its not much but I bring in about $15-25 a day. Again that is not much but like a poster before said I would have been happy with getting my $99 back. Now I got my eyes on self employment =).
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What would you say is the learning curve? I have zero experience with developing but I know my way around Macs and PC's as well as the iOS stuff.
From my experience either you just "get it" or you don't. In my opinion, most people just don't have the mental hardware to be programmers. If you have zero experience with programming I suggest doing something like codecadamy or Learn Python the Hard Way and see if you can work your way through it.

Easier way is to hire a freelancer. But given you don't have any money, then that's not really an option. Like others have said, ideas are cheap. Execution is hard.
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before i would of been happy if i made my $99 back from the dev liscence, then i would of been happy if i got my macbook money back.. then i would of been happy with $20ish a day.. now $200-$250 just doesnt seem enough for me. How I lived before (paying rent,food, luxary, etc) when I absolutely scraped by to a somewhat comfortable living standard and yet I still dont feel satisfied.. I WANT MORA MOAR MOAR MOAR MOAR
Dude, you sound almost exactly like I do . Except I'm only at the point where I made back my $400 (from buying 4 dev licenses, don't ask), and I'm still working on paying back the Macbook Air I bought for my business.

One of my goals is just to make $5 a day and I think I hopefully have crossed that, now I'm moving on to $100 a day and I'm still pretty far from that but I'm working towards it.
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I replied to you in private. Hope it helped.
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Dude, you sound almost exactly like I do . Except I'm only at the point where I made back my $400 (from buying 4 dev licenses, don't ask), and I'm still working on paying back the Macbook Air I bought for my business.

One of my goals is just to make $5 a day and I think I hopefully have crossed that, now I'm moving on to $100 a day and I'm still pretty far from that but I'm working towards it.
yer i remmeber getting from 20-100.. i did it with 1 app.. after that i believe in doing coding with passion (I used to be a crap spamzor WHAT WAS I TRHINKING?)

now im trying to figure out.. what types of app can ensure you to get into top 200 in categories for ipHONE in the US.. I can get into the charts with iPad in the US and even get ranked 1 overall in thailand (for a few days and done it a few times too) and even reaching top 10 overall in most asian countries like korea,sinapore,vietnam and china BUT US I CAN NEVER BREAK INTO.. its seem so hard!!!

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