Well, yes, if you don't pay any taxes and spend no monday on housing, health insurance, food, clothing, transportation, etc, etc, etc. And as a contractor, you end up paying the self-employment tax, etc etc.
A decent, salaried software engineer in the US (that is, NOT a contractor) can easily command $100K. Probably more like $150K if they have decent experienced.
Yes, it can be a lot of money. It's the cost of doing business.
On the news a few days ago, they stated that a 'high tech' job in SF/BayArea/Mountain View was $100K / year average.
You have to look at the demand for each area, Example: Mobile is still new, whereas SQL/.Net/Client Server/LAN etc... is not new.
When something is new, it takes time for it to take hold and for devs to become experts and the money usually jumps up after it takes hold. IOS has taken hold and gets pretty good money.
$100K is understating it. "High tech" is pretty broad. If you want someone good who has an "in demand" skill like iOS, RoR, Android, HTML5 $100K will get you an entry level Stanford/Berkeley grad. You'll have to pay probably $150K to get someone senior.
The war for developer talent is pretty insane in the US right now. Unless you are trying to build a bigger company though I would probably just look overseas.
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On the news a few days ago, they stated that a 'high tech' job in SF/BayArea/Mountain View was $100K / year average.
You have to look at the demand for each area, Example: Mobile is still new, whereas SQL/.Net/Client Server/LAN etc... is not new.
When something is new, it takes time for it to take hold and for devs to become experts and the money usually jumps up after it takes hold. IOS has taken hold and gets pretty good money.
Funnily enough I know people in all these job roles, so can give a pretty good estimate to salary.
1. Software Developer - My brother is a Senior Software developer, around £45 - 55k depending on the company
2. Marketing Manager - Again, I know a marketing manager and your looking around £40k
3. Graphics Designer - This is what I want to do, and months of researching has told me an employed graphic designer can eran anywhere between 30 and 80k In the city (London)
Freelance graphic designers charge well in excess of £800 per day
slightly OT but I've always wondered if salaries in UK were adjusted for the high value of the pound but it doesn't appear to be the case. I would expect UK s/w engineers to make way more just because UK is a lot more expensive to live.
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Funnily enough I know people in all these job roles, so can give a pretty good estimate to salary.
1. Software Developer - My brother is a Senior Software developer, around £45 - 55k depending on the company
2. Marketing Manager - Again, I know a marketing manager and your looking around £40k
3. Graphics Designer - This is what I want to do, and months of researching has told me an employed graphic designer can eran anywhere between 30 and 80k In the city (London)
Freelance graphic designers charge well in excess of £800 per day
$100K is understating it. "High tech" is pretty broad. If you want someone good who has an "in demand" skill like iOS, RoR, Android, HTML5 $100K will get you an entry level Stanford/Berkeley grad. You'll have to pay probably $150K to get someone senior.
The war for developer talent is pretty insane in the US right now. Unless you are trying to build a bigger company though I would probably just look overseas.
I doupt that you've been looking for iOS development jobs and verifying these numbers yourself given the success you've had... unless your company is hiring... in which case, can I send you my resume?
If you limit yourself to graduates of the very best schools in the world like Standord/Berkely and require them to live in an expensive metropolitan area those numbers probably aren't out of whack. I think talent on average across the USA is a bit cheaper than that though.. you can get an idea of what salaries in your area go for with sites like www.glassdoor.com . It might be a good idea to outsource away from silicon valley, but still stay inside the USA.
I doupt that you've been looking for iOS development jobs and verifying these numbers yourself given the success you've had... unless your company is hiring... in which case, can I send you my resume?
If you limit yourself to graduates of the very best schools in the world like Standord/Berkely and require them to live in an expensive metropolitan area those numbers probably aren't out of whack. I think talent on average across the USA is a bit cheaper than that though.. you can get an idea of what salaries in your area go for with sites like www.glassdoor.com . It might be a good idea to outsource away from silicon valley, but still stay inside the USA.
Those numbers are based off of other developer friends and what they are getting on the open market. Also I've tried hiring full time and had to settle for part time contractors due to the cost, so I am pretty familiar with market rates.
Funnily enough I know people in all these job roles, so can give a pretty good estimate to salary.
1. Software Developer - My brother is a Senior Software developer, around £45 - 55k depending on the company
2. Marketing Manager - Again, I know a marketing manager and your looking around £40k
3. Graphics Designer - This is what I want to do, and months of researching has told me an employed graphic designer can eran anywhere between 30 and 80k In the city (London)
Freelance graphic designers charge well in excess of £800 per day
I don't know the cost of living or the exchange rate, but the title 'Software Developer' is pretty general. There is a big issue with number or years, how fresh, which area/tools etc are used... HP/UX was huge years ago, 100K years ago was big money (still is good) It's kinda died off as did cobol and pascal, dBase, Lotus, NetWare...
Freelance graphic designers charge well in excess of £800 per day
Well somebody has to show me anyone yet getting these kind of money in the UK as a contractor on a regular basis and not as the "deal of a lifetime".
EA (which pays pretty well considering the industry average) will fork out 450 max, and they've got 2 billions in cash to spend.
Sony London is around 500 a day for a super guru, same as others VC backed companies, so with cash flow.
The maximum spike I've seen for a senior programmer was 650 a day in the iOS boom a couple of years ago, rates now have stabilized to 325/250 a day.
So a couple of things:
- Even if you find somebody so clueless to give you 800 a day, it's probably for a very very very short period of time
- For a permanent position you divide that by 2, or 2.5.
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