Advertise Mobile SDKs Books Events Forum News Social Networking Support Us
Follow @iphonedevsdk on Twitter

Mockup & CodeGen, iPhone & iPad
($9.99)

Make your own iPhone apps
and run them live!
(free)

Manu
($0.99)

Want your application or service advertised on iPhone Dev SDK?

Go Back   iPhone Dev SDK Forum > Business Forums > Business, Legal, & App Store

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-25-2010, 10:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
indie dev
 
rocotilos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,754
Default Trademarked Words.. a way around?

Ok, just got the dreaded "going to take longer" on my app reviewing.

Im pretty sure its going to be rejected.

Anyway, here is my case: I just realized that I have used a trademarked word.. like Arsenal.

The things is, without this word in the app, a user cannot choose the team he wants.

I may totally abandon this app, but as a last resort, I wanna know is using something like Arsen@l or @rsenal instead.. will it be ok?

I don't want to get in trouble really. But just wondering what are my options to make this app happens.

Basically its an app that user can select his fav team from a table.
rocotilos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2010, 03:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,015
Default

I think you are worrying too much.
As long as you don't use it as a keyword
__________________
Work like a slave, live like a king.
Tambourin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-28-2010, 02:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: San Diego, California
Posts: 18
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rocotilos View Post
Ok, just got the dreaded "going to take longer" on my app reviewing.

Im pretty sure its going to be rejected.

Anyway, here is my case: I just realized that I have used a trademarked word.. like Arsenal.

The things is, without this word in the app, a user cannot choose the team he wants.

I may totally abandon this app, but as a last resort, I wanna know is using something like Arsen@l or @rsenal instead.. will it be ok?

I don't want to get in trouble really. But just wondering what are my options to make this app happens.

Basically its an app that user can select his fav team from a table.
Quick answer - in US trademark law at least, changing one letter or a symbol is not enough to avoid liability. Minor spelling variations are considered inconsequential.
__________________
David Lizerbram
Trademark, Copyright, and Business Attorney
@LizerbramLaw
www.LizerbramLaw.com
DavidLizerbram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 01:38 AM   #4 (permalink)
indie dev
 
rocotilos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,754
Default WHAM!

Rejected.

So I think i just remove all the names.. not sure how i can relate the team though..

David, thanks for your answer, but how about, for example,

Arsenal ==> Ars.

Manchester Utd ==> MU

such as that? im gonna try that for resubmission. see how it goes.
rocotilos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 03:03 AM   #5 (permalink)
Daddy Cool
 
MarkC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Yorkshire, England
Age: 100
Posts: 1,472
Default

Aarse-nil
Man Urinal
Man Shitty
Bitter Blues (for Everton)
MIGHTY REDS (for Liverpool)

MarkC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 01:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: San Diego, California
Posts: 18
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rocotilos View Post
Rejected.

So I think i just remove all the names.. not sure how i can relate the team though..

David, thanks for your answer, but how about, for example,

Arsenal ==> Ars.

Manchester Utd ==> MU

such as that? im gonna try that for resubmission. see how it goes.
From a conservative (legal, not political) standpoint, my guess is that those types of abbreviations would still imply some sort of sponsorship or agreement with the teams, and may lead to consumer confusion regarding the source of the app. I would be willing to bet that professional sports teams are apt to be highly litigious and protective of their rights. Even if you're in the right, you could get sued out of business without it affecting their bottom line in any noticeable way.

Moral: consult a trademark attorney in your area, and be very cautious.
__________________
David Lizerbram
Trademark, Copyright, and Business Attorney
@LizerbramLaw
www.LizerbramLaw.com
DavidLizerbram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 05:29 PM   #7 (permalink)
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 80
Default

It seems to me he just has to say he has a news app and he should be free and clear.

If its news or commentary you are mostly free to use trademarked words.

trademark law is getting a little silly with the internet I think. I think before the internet, markets were more local and national brands few and far between. Certainly they were not cheap to create.

Nowadays it seems pretty trivial to create a national or even global brand.

Last edited by blazespinnaker; 07-29-2010 at 05:34 PM.
blazespinnaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 05:35 PM   #8 (permalink)
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: San Diego, California
Posts: 18
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blazespinnaker View Post
It seems to me he just has to say he has a news app and he should be free and clear.

If its news or commentary you are mostly free to use trademarked words.

trademark law is getting a little silly with the internet I think. I think before the internet, markets were more local and national brands few and far between.

Nowadays it seems pretty trivial to create a national or even global brand.
You're probably right that some precepts of trademark law should be revisited to reflect the reality of the internet. Nonetheless, it's important for developers to consider the consequences before jumping into something, unless they want to face serious legal issues.
__________________
David Lizerbram
Trademark, Copyright, and Business Attorney
@LizerbramLaw
www.LizerbramLaw.com
DavidLizerbram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 07:05 PM   #9 (permalink)
indie dev
 
rocotilos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,754
Default

No its not a news app.

It is a Jersey Creator app - I had one approved for the World Cup here.
rocotilos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2010, 07:55 PM   #10 (permalink)
Obj-C Learner
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 1,030
Send a message via MSN to ZunePod Send a message via Yahoo to ZunePod
Default

The laws in various countries surrounding this are useless.

To be able to make this app, you'd have to go to 20 clubs and get permission, how stupid?
__________________
Will code for food
ZunePod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2010, 04:15 AM   #11 (permalink)
indie dev
 
rocotilos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,754
Default

Yeah pretty ridiculous. But, I just don't think about it too much. I just like to comply to Apple and carry on making apps.
rocotilos is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



» Advertisements
» Stats
Members: 158,884
Threads: 89,229
Posts: 380,763
Top Poster: BrianSlick (7,129)
Welcome to our newest member, karlam963
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:13 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0