Very strange. I just had my app approved yesterday and was originally set for Nov 6th. It didn't show up as expected, so I'm not sure how this guy manage to get his app to show up as Nov 8th.
If apple really has stopped updates showing up on the new release, they will now have crappy dev's just releasing their apps as new apps instead of updates.
I phrased that poorly. It should read: As expected, it didn't show up. I changed it to nov 5th and so far it hasn't shown up yet. It's been about 4-5 hrs.
I just looked at my app that updated on the 4th and instead of saying "post date: may 20th" it says "post date: November 5th" which is the date I have set in iTunes connect.
Might be a good sign... but it's still not queueing at a top spot in line.
I've heard a rumor that apple wants the reviewers to decide from now on if an update should show up in the new release list
Rumors are bad...but since Apple is so secretive...rumors are the only information we have. What a bummer mates. A few months back, they were rejecting everything left right and center for Key words...now it seems they want to thin the iphone developer group even more by denying a new binary the opportunity of being in the top of the "New Releases" chart.
Most of us rely on this feature, to market our apps and boost sales. With this feature gone...is it worth it guys? seriously. My example...I have spent over $4000 developing this game and have made maybe $150. So as you can tell, it doesn't leave a favorable flavor in my mouth. I have 2 others in production now, hiring graphics and developers...employing people.
I'm going to give it a few more days, if the system does not put my app (and yours) in the "New Releases"...then I think I am pretty much done with Apple!
They don't even realize that they are firing 2 developers, 2 graphic artists and 1 very pissed off entrepreneur.
I really really really really really (etc)...hope that I/we are wrong and it will all be fixed very soon.
Rumors are bad...but since Apple is so secretive...rumors are the only information we have. What a bummer mates. A few months back, they were rejecting everything left right and center for Key words...now it seems they want to thin the iphone developer group even more by denying a new binary the opportunity of being in the top of the "New Releases" chart.
Most of us rely on this feature, to market our apps and boost sales. With this feature gone...is it worth it guys? seriously. My example...I have spent over $4000 developing this game and have made maybe $150. So as you can tell, it doesn't leave a favorable flavor in my mouth. I have 2 others in production now, hiring graphics and developers...employing people.
I'm going to give it a few more days, if the system does not put my app (and yours) in the "New Releases"...then I think I am pretty much done with Apple!
They don't even realize that they are firing 2 developers, 2 graphic artists and 1 very pissed off entrepreneur.
I really really really really really (etc)...hope that I/we are wrong and it will all be fixed very soon.
I am with you! If Apple doesn't show our updates in this list anymore, I am switching to Andorid. This is simply ridiculous!
I think Apple should just remove the ability to set this date, they should just use the day they published it to the store and be done with it.
Meanwhile, they should also STOP applications from appearing as new just because they were updated, they should only appear there when they are, im NEW apps. Why? Cause every idiot is making 1 simple change each day and flooding the submission chain just because they want to try and get back into the new apps.
The whole app store process is basically a ******* joke. Its pretty clear when the system is being abused too.
My example...I have spent over $4000 developing this game and have made maybe $150. So as you can tell, it doesn't leave a favorable flavor in my mouth. I have 2 others in production now, hiring graphics and developers...employing people.
I'm going to give it a few more days, if the system does not put my app (and yours) in the "New Releases"...then I think I am pretty much done with Apple!
Maybe, just maybe, your app isnt great? Seriously man, why do people seem to think that you can release any piece of software and it will sell like hotcakes?
I looked at your website and can give you a few pointers on why it probably isn't selling.
1) Its just a damn shake the phone dice simulator (there are hundreds, these are like fart apps)
2) Your video is boring, all you do is enter a name and shake the phone. You also use stolen music that is blaring loud and annoying! Why don't you stop using copyrighted (stolen) music and add your own sound track to the app itself? People want to see the app, not how you were able to make a video with blaring rock music!
3) The app looks boring, the graphics are plain and simple
BTW, when you post a link to your app, be prepared to get feedback. You are after all getting upset that your game isnt selling, and you blame everyone but yourself. Seriously man, there are thousands of iPhone dice games, and yours does not stand out no matter how much copyrighted music you add to your iphone video.
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Anyway, back on topic, while it is nice to get a minor bump in figures, it would also be nice to see the minor tweaks (and in some cases, no tweaks at all) from appearing almost weekly on some apps - as others have said, it's clogging up the review process. I'd definitely be up for a $50 or so charge per update, as inferred on other threads! I'd stop the kids from rolling out a new binary with an extra comment in the code.
You also use stolen music that is blaring loud and annoying! Why don't you stop using copyrighted (stolen) music and add your own sound track to the app itself?
Thank you for the honest comment. Yes, the video is from the older version, I have yet to update it. Regarding the music...be careful of where you throw your blades...the song used in the video is from one of my good friends'...his band wrote this 5 years ago. So NO...I am not using "stolen music"!
Oh...and regarding the "blaring loud and annoying!"...turn the volume down.
Now, lets get back on topic and talk about how the changes in the "Release Date" affects all of us.
But lose all their reviews. I know I wouldn't want to lose the hundreds of ratings I've got and have to start from scratch!
Pros and cons for both options I guess... Anyway, it's all in Apple's hands, so hypothesising is pointless on our part
Since the annual developer fee allows an unlimited number of apps to be on the App Store, I would guess that a dev wouldn't remove their app, but submit a variation of their existing app as a new app while still leaving the original app in the store.
In which case, everybody's sales for a particular app may diminish with an increase in dilution of that market.
Visibility will then be even more difficult as not only will an update for an existing app not be visible on the newly released list, but there will be a semi-artificial increase in competing apps (at least in increase of titles).
Rumors are bad - agreed.
I lit a few email addresses up last night that I had saved over the last six months.
Somewhat of a canned reply but I am hopeful things will be back to normal shortly (I'll at least believe it when I see it corrected in the store):
MY EMAIL TO APPLE:
Dear Apple,
Could you please post a message in iTunes (see the below two forums as
to the concern) Connect with some clarification around:
1. Are the current "changes" to the release dates permanent or a
glitch due to another change?
2. What is going on - what are the specific changes that are being
made?
The developers on the forums would be very appreciative, and it would
help us deal with any potential changes if we had some more details...
Thanks,
Art
RESPONSE:
Hello Mr. Anderson,
Thank you for contacting the Apple Developer Connection regarding iTunes Connect and the App Store.
Please know the iTunes Connect team is aware of the issue and it will be resolved within 48 hours. If you are still experiencing this issue after 48 hours has passed, please contact the iTunes Connect team directly for further assistance:
<iTunesConnect@apple.com>
Thank you for your participation in our programs.
Best regards,
(**Removed Employee Name**)
Apple Developer Connection
Worldwide Developer Relations
Since the annual developer fee allows an unlimited number of apps to be on the App Store, I would guess that a dev wouldn't remove their app, but submit a variation of their existing app as a new app while still leaving the original app in the store.
In which case, everybody's sales for a particular app may diminish with an increase in dilution of that market.
Visibility will then be even more difficult as not only will an update for an existing app not be visible on the newly released list, but there will be a semi-artificial increase in competing apps (at least in increase of titles).
If the current changes to the release date sorting order stay in effect, that'll happen anyway. I can't think of any incentive to release an update, even for a bug fix.
If the current changes to the release date sorting order stay in effect, that'll happen anyway. I can't think of any incentive to release an update, even for a bug fix.
Finally I can be free of the constant compulsion to update my iPhone apps and devote my time to Android!
The devs doing this crap don't have reviews that is why they continually release the same binary and mark the what's new as "bug fixes", my app is in the card category so I watch that category very carefully and I see this kind of thing at least every other day.
I fully support charging a very small fee for new apps and updates. Just like a $5 fee, or $4.99 since apple seems to like 99 so much. That would keep people from spamming the app store and devs with decent apps would make that back in a day.
Then still allowing both updates and new apps to show up in new releases, because sometimes an update is considered a new release in my opinion. For example, I know another dev in card games that is doing a multiplayer update, that is a large update and deserves to appear in the new releases so people know about it.
- Luke
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But lose all their reviews. I know I wouldn't want to lose the hundreds of ratings I've got and have to start from scratch!
Pros and cons for both options I guess... Anyway, it's all in Apple's hands, so hypothesising is pointless on our part
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Originally Posted by VMan
Since the annual developer fee allows an unlimited number of apps to be on the App Store, I would guess that a dev wouldn't remove their app, but submit a variation of their existing app as a new app while still leaving the original app in the store.
In which case, everybody's sales for a particular app may diminish with an increase in dilution of that market.
Visibility will then be even more difficult as not only will an update for an existing app not be visible on the newly released list, but there will be a semi-artificial increase in competing apps (at least in increase of titles).
As most of you know by now, updates are no longer placed in the "New Release" category (for your genre).
You were all worried about developers updating their apps constantly and cluttering the store and review board. Some claim that this will help the store, I think it will destroy the store...or at least minimize its impact on the market.
I believe with these new rules, indie developers will backlash on Apple and make i.e. 50 copies of their existing apps, rename, re-skin, colors, text, etc...same app, just slightly different in the look. This will be terrible for all of us.
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